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December 29, 2008

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Josh Gubser

This is actually very poorly argued. The author posits a vegetarian "utopia" against a meat eating "utopia," where animals area treated humanely, but the fact is that they are not. It would be better for all if they were (compared to our current way of raising animals for food), but it is just as utopian as the vegetarian vision.

First off, we do not depend on eating flesh in any biological or ecological way. 70% of grains produced in the US got to feed livestock. If we all became vegetarians, we couls consume those grains directly. Since it takes 17 lbs of grain to produce a single pound of cow flesh, we could actually produce less grain than we are now ans still feed everyone. These cereal crops are also less regulated since they are not consumed by humans, and account for much higher rate of pesticide use as well. Animals also produce a lot of methane, so much so that eatig animal flesh is as polluting as driving a sports car.

As one commenter above noted, we don't need to meddle so much in nature. The natural order has a way if working things out. That's not to say we wouldn't have to do anything. It may take some activity to offset our negative influence in other ways.

Eating crops grown where animals have died and turned back into earth is not the same as eating them. We come from the earth and go back to it—that's the cycle of life. At this point, some might say that eat or be eaten is also part of that cycle, which is true to a point. Many creatures eat one another to survive, but many do not. There are many herbivores today, and there have been many in the past, even some dinosaurs.

As far as health, it took me a while to adjust to veganism as well. I didn't replace protein with protein, but carbs. American diets are so nutrient deficient that even taking out the little we get from meat takes a toll. However, once I started studying nutrition (on my own, not through school) and eating a whole food diet full of vegetables, fruits, nuts, beans, and grains, that changed. As a weight lifter, I even weighed a slender 225 lbs (I'm 6'4”) and did reps with 250 lbs on bench and over 1000 lbs on leg press. I say this not to gloat, but to show that it is not unhealthy when done correctly.

The truth is that we do not need to eat meat, that even if we do so “ethically” we still deprive another creature of life even though we don't need to; there are more health risks associated with all the bacteria and other crap of eating meat; mass raising of animals produces a lot of pollution, unless all they eat is grass, feeding animals that will be raised for food is not a responsible use of crops (and even then, grazing land, where suitable, could be used for planting food).

Kristen McCormick

I think you raise some excellent points about how animals are treated during the human feeding frenzy. I also think you forgot a major, although very popular, yet less advertised part of vegetarianism and veganism. If you subscribe to the idea that we are all energetic creatures and the food we ingest also contains energy used to sustain us. The suffering and cruelty of modern day big ag businesses is enough to turn anyone off. Some people of this same belief feel that animals that are treated lovingly and cared for properly do not carry negative energy if they are killed in a respectful, humane way. However, there are others who argue that being killed is enough to leave some ugly energy behind. This idea is becoming more and more popular among Western vegetarians and Buddists have believed this forever.
Second, why do humans think we have to control every aspect of mother nature? Animals still provide alot of resources to us as vegetarians, like eggs, cheese, milk....also, there was s study done a while ago about rabbit populations. The research observed an outrageous reproduction rate of this particular group of rabbits. It got to the point where it looked like it might affect the balance of the area. Then, to his amazement, a huge percentage of the rabbits randomly died...whether by an influx of hunters like coyotes, or some other sort of natural selection, the researcher never figured it out. My point is that, we do not need to put everything on a tracking list in a fenced reserve. We too are guests here on planet earth and when we have over stayed our welcome, she will let us know too.

Until that happens, keep up the good work and providing meat eaters with the best possible option to nourish their bodies. I thank you.

Also, it might be worth checking into what is going on in Illinois with the farming community there as it could affect your family soon.
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/natural-solutions-food-and-farming/message/9

leslie herger

I grew up on a farm in rural Maine. We had cows, pigs and chickens. My parents felt it was necessary that we know that the animals we were raising weren't pets but food. We still named them and treated them well, but didn't treat them as pets. They were treated with humane and ethical care and respect. When I went away to college I began reading more about where the animal products I was eating came from , far from the family farms of old and about as far from the farm raised animals I had been eating as a child. I became a vegetarian, though I loved meat of all kinds. It just didn't taste the same. The ingredients were low quality and lacked something.

It was years later after college when I again started to eat meat again. Still little that I find now is as good as what I had as a kid but some comes close.

It's sad to me that many kids can't identify where their food comes from. While not all kids would be able to handle what my parents felt was needed- we helped to clean the chickens after slaughter and butcher the cows a dose of reality might be nice.

Chris

Wonderful post! I love the questions it poses. People forget that even if all the people on the planet stop eating meat, the lion is not going to start lying down with the lamb. It really seems to be a case of the farther people get from the reality of food supply, the more they miss the reality of the food supply picture.

To Sean: When I was a vegetarian I got sick much more often than I do now as a conscientious omnivore.

Greg Turner

I love this post. Well thought and right on. Ironically, my daughter just became a vegetarian. I'm using it as an excuse to be more mindful about the meat my wife and I eat because I believe mindfulness trumps any ism, even vegetarianism.

Sean Kelly

This winter I noticed it has been ages since any sniffles, colds, sore throats etc bothered me. They were common during my vegetarian and low meat years.
Has anyone else had similar observations?

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